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I ask this because Jane Campion, one of my favorite directors, is behind the television show "Top of the Lake."
BQ: Did you watch Top of the Lake?
BQ2: Do you think Campion has been influenced by Twin Peaks?
BQ3: Favorite current television show?
Answer
hi : )
nope. absolutely not. it used to be, as tv was regarded as the inferior brother to film, which could be argued was high art, but really since the advent of HBO, tv has seriously upped its game. their john adams series is said cited as being cinematic and excellent, tho ive not seen it.
there's a bit of a migration into tv, for top stars and directors. it offers different opportunities~ to really get into a character, have different plot structures one cant in 120 mins etc, and often to be more creative. with the recession, studios have been more conservative- for every inception there are a million marley and me bits of vapid fluff. there is excellent work on tv.
i adore more films than tv, but wish they were box set long not 90 or 120 mins. people get into tv series much more, and, if well made, actors love working in them- awake, the walking dead, the hour, md men et al.
id say twin peaks is semi cinematic- it starts off film-like, but gets incomprehensibly messy toward the 'end'.
there are older tv series which are INCREDIBLY cinematic- brideshead revisited, from the early 80s, is miiiiles better than the recent film adaptation. the tv series is impossible to discuss without saying 'epic' 'magnificent' etc- its prefect, and very beautiful. it hasnt dated (its set in the 20s- 40s anyway, but lots of period set films fail spectatularly- eg- dirty dancing) as its so well made. plus the score adds heaps. there's a great scene in withnail and i, where theyre walking across the hill in wales, and uncle monty is remembering someone he loved while he was at oxford (uni). the music refers to brideshead, by echoing the brideshead theme. the first portion of brideshead is about unrequited gay love at oxford. you can tell they simply threw money at the production. a really perfect adaptation (book is a classic).
irons is superb actor, and nails the role~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYsMO3rBtYY here he is, in the war, back at the house he visited when he was younger, in the 1920s, in love with his friend. perfect music, cinematography, costume, plot, location, performances. miles better than 90% of modern film.
david morrissey discussed film vs tv last week on a film reviews show- you can watch it on yt~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGmvwR67Uag
he explains actors now sign long- 5, 7 yr contracts, to a tv company, before theyre even offered a job, just as actors used to be contracted to studios in the 30s and 40s. bizzare- but obv he's working in a decent series (from 10 mins in).
he says that the more indie talent from american cinema are going into decent tv series.
the was on tv at christmas, The Girl about alfred hitchcock's relationship towards an actress he cast http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4ALGg1gzFc tho its only a single tv film, it was excellent, and more cinematic than the actual cinema released film, Hitchcock, out at the same time, covering the period just before The Girl.
anyway, i dont watch much tv, so id not heard of top of the lake. it sounds interesting purely because id welcome seeing something other than the usual california from america or southern england from the uk (i live in london but id LOVE to see stuff from the rest of the uk, as well other countries). all we get from oz are a couple of aussie soaps, and aussie masterchef. nothing from nz or canada. ive never seen anything by her as its not really my bag, and ive never heard her linked w lynch; interesting idea. i watched the trailer and was reminded of wallander.
weirdly, i was thinking about cinematic tv series last night, or rather, the reverse- sit coms. they're usually derided for being trashy and lowbrow, everything cinema aspire not to be, but i watched this clip- and was reminded how tight and brilliant it *can* be. my parents had this on video so i was weaned on blackadder :D stephen fry and hugh laurie (dr house) used to be comedy partners- the sets are tiny, but its just SO perfect. even if youve never seen it before you should be able to appreciate it's excellence. sterling work from all concerned and SO much funnier than big budget bilge like the hangover etc. 3 series (the first series's a stinker, the rest rock) of compact genius. film or tv doesnt need to be gigantic to have longevity, style or brilliance.
hi : )
nope. absolutely not. it used to be, as tv was regarded as the inferior brother to film, which could be argued was high art, but really since the advent of HBO, tv has seriously upped its game. their john adams series is said cited as being cinematic and excellent, tho ive not seen it.
there's a bit of a migration into tv, for top stars and directors. it offers different opportunities~ to really get into a character, have different plot structures one cant in 120 mins etc, and often to be more creative. with the recession, studios have been more conservative- for every inception there are a million marley and me bits of vapid fluff. there is excellent work on tv.
i adore more films than tv, but wish they were box set long not 90 or 120 mins. people get into tv series much more, and, if well made, actors love working in them- awake, the walking dead, the hour, md men et al.
id say twin peaks is semi cinematic- it starts off film-like, but gets incomprehensibly messy toward the 'end'.
there are older tv series which are INCREDIBLY cinematic- brideshead revisited, from the early 80s, is miiiiles better than the recent film adaptation. the tv series is impossible to discuss without saying 'epic' 'magnificent' etc- its prefect, and very beautiful. it hasnt dated (its set in the 20s- 40s anyway, but lots of period set films fail spectatularly- eg- dirty dancing) as its so well made. plus the score adds heaps. there's a great scene in withnail and i, where theyre walking across the hill in wales, and uncle monty is remembering someone he loved while he was at oxford (uni). the music refers to brideshead, by echoing the brideshead theme. the first portion of brideshead is about unrequited gay love at oxford. you can tell they simply threw money at the production. a really perfect adaptation (book is a classic).
irons is superb actor, and nails the role~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYsMO3rBtYY here he is, in the war, back at the house he visited when he was younger, in the 1920s, in love with his friend. perfect music, cinematography, costume, plot, location, performances. miles better than 90% of modern film.
david morrissey discussed film vs tv last week on a film reviews show- you can watch it on yt~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGmvwR67Uag
he explains actors now sign long- 5, 7 yr contracts, to a tv company, before theyre even offered a job, just as actors used to be contracted to studios in the 30s and 40s. bizzare- but obv he's working in a decent series (from 10 mins in).
he says that the more indie talent from american cinema are going into decent tv series.
the was on tv at christmas, The Girl about alfred hitchcock's relationship towards an actress he cast http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4ALGg1gzFc tho its only a single tv film, it was excellent, and more cinematic than the actual cinema released film, Hitchcock, out at the same time, covering the period just before The Girl.
anyway, i dont watch much tv, so id not heard of top of the lake. it sounds interesting purely because id welcome seeing something other than the usual california from america or southern england from the uk (i live in london but id LOVE to see stuff from the rest of the uk, as well other countries). all we get from oz are a couple of aussie soaps, and aussie masterchef. nothing from nz or canada. ive never seen anything by her as its not really my bag, and ive never heard her linked w lynch; interesting idea. i watched the trailer and was reminded of wallander.
weirdly, i was thinking about cinematic tv series last night, or rather, the reverse- sit coms. they're usually derided for being trashy and lowbrow, everything cinema aspire not to be, but i watched this clip- and was reminded how tight and brilliant it *can* be. my parents had this on video so i was weaned on blackadder :D stephen fry and hugh laurie (dr house) used to be comedy partners- the sets are tiny, but its just SO perfect. even if youve never seen it before you should be able to appreciate it's excellence. sterling work from all concerned and SO much funnier than big budget bilge like the hangover etc. 3 series (the first series's a stinker, the rest rock) of compact genius. film or tv doesnt need to be gigantic to have longevity, style or brilliance.
difference between emos, gothics, juggalos, scenes, & punks?
Jess
can someone please tell me the difference between all of the above?
I know that:
emos wear black and white, stripes etc. piercings and they have suicidal thoughts.
goth wear black clothing, black boots, wear black nail polish, black lipstick, make their face white etc.
juggalos no idea.
scenes (girls) they have like weird hairstyles? wear rocker clothes, maybe bright clothes.
punks, hairstyle are like mohawks they wear dark colours, wear spike bracelets etc
i may be wrong and i might not be right, i just heard a little about some of them.
please tell me the difference between all of them if you can, thanks!
i just want to know because im curious, i mean, i like this type of style but i dont know if its emo, gothic, screamo or scene...
Answer
Oh dear, this is quite a loaded question.
"Emos" -- Emo's origins can be traced back to the 1980s in Washington DC. It all started out as a music genre known as "Emotive Hardcore". A certain fashion movement was started by the fans of the music, and that seems to be the only thing that remains of the whole thing. From what I can tell, kids who call themselves "Emo" don't really care for the music.
And no, they don't all strictly have suicidal thoughts. I think a majority of teenagers, if not all, have had at least one suicidal thought. Teenagers go through emotional roller-coasters, so it isn't surprising that they're so prone to depression and suicidal tendencies (I know that I went through a depression phase when I was younger). If a kid is genuinely depressed, it isn't because of what they're wearing.
"Scene" -- I'm not entirely sure where, when, or how that movement came about. I'm going to take an educated guess and say that it came about because of a specific kind of music, and it would have been fairly recently. The first time I ever heard of it was about 2006ish when my sister was going through that phase, but I don't know for certain how long it's been around. From what I gather, "Scene" kids seem to be the more colorful siblings of "Emo". Favoring neon colors, wildly-streaked, poofy hair, and more "cutesy" designs.
Juggalos... I actually had to do a quick search on Google to get an idea of what they are. I've heard the term many times, but I've never bothered to look into it. Juggalos, from the little I read, are those who tend to be fans of bands like ICP (Insane Clown Posse). They like sporting Kiss-esque makeup and being obnoxiously flamboyant -- if you ask me.
Punk -- Punk was/is a music genre that started out in the late 70s, but it didn't start to really pick up until the 80s, due to the dominance of genres like Heavy Metal at the time. The most well-known Punk bands/musicians are the Ramones, the Clash, and Iggy Pop. Punk developed it's own subculture consisting of fans who loved the music and formed a fashion and a lifestyle that went along with it. Punks were typically portrayed as being the wild, anti-conforming types. I'd say that Punk is where a lot of the negative stereotypes related to violent behavior that are thrown on the Gothic subculture come from.
Goth -- The Gothic subculture, depending on how you look at it, is the oldest of all of these by far. Gothic imagery has been present in literature and all kinds of art for almost as long as humanity has been producing those kind of things, but the term wasn't actually applied to anything until the first millenia, when "Gothic art" and "Gothic architecture" came about. Later on (1700s) it was used as a label for a literary genre that was described as a mix of Romance and Horror: Gothic Fiction. Even further down the road, a music movement that was a branch-off of Punk started in the late 1970s: Gothic Rock.
The Gothic subculture, mindset, etc., are really best described by the description of the genre: "a mix of Romance and Horror"; it's a Romantic take on Horror and macabre. Those in the Gothic community are those who genuinely enjoy a darker aesthetic.
Response to one of the other answers: Er, what "Gothic religion"? There isn't one that I know of, and so far the Black Council hasn't taken points off of my Goth Card for not adhering to said-religion. Goths don't always have to wear black everywhere. Some Goths don't even wear black at all. "Goth" is in your head, not on your clothes.
Well, that's the best I can offer. I hope I was helpful!
Oh dear, this is quite a loaded question.
"Emos" -- Emo's origins can be traced back to the 1980s in Washington DC. It all started out as a music genre known as "Emotive Hardcore". A certain fashion movement was started by the fans of the music, and that seems to be the only thing that remains of the whole thing. From what I can tell, kids who call themselves "Emo" don't really care for the music.
And no, they don't all strictly have suicidal thoughts. I think a majority of teenagers, if not all, have had at least one suicidal thought. Teenagers go through emotional roller-coasters, so it isn't surprising that they're so prone to depression and suicidal tendencies (I know that I went through a depression phase when I was younger). If a kid is genuinely depressed, it isn't because of what they're wearing.
"Scene" -- I'm not entirely sure where, when, or how that movement came about. I'm going to take an educated guess and say that it came about because of a specific kind of music, and it would have been fairly recently. The first time I ever heard of it was about 2006ish when my sister was going through that phase, but I don't know for certain how long it's been around. From what I gather, "Scene" kids seem to be the more colorful siblings of "Emo". Favoring neon colors, wildly-streaked, poofy hair, and more "cutesy" designs.
Juggalos... I actually had to do a quick search on Google to get an idea of what they are. I've heard the term many times, but I've never bothered to look into it. Juggalos, from the little I read, are those who tend to be fans of bands like ICP (Insane Clown Posse). They like sporting Kiss-esque makeup and being obnoxiously flamboyant -- if you ask me.
Punk -- Punk was/is a music genre that started out in the late 70s, but it didn't start to really pick up until the 80s, due to the dominance of genres like Heavy Metal at the time. The most well-known Punk bands/musicians are the Ramones, the Clash, and Iggy Pop. Punk developed it's own subculture consisting of fans who loved the music and formed a fashion and a lifestyle that went along with it. Punks were typically portrayed as being the wild, anti-conforming types. I'd say that Punk is where a lot of the negative stereotypes related to violent behavior that are thrown on the Gothic subculture come from.
Goth -- The Gothic subculture, depending on how you look at it, is the oldest of all of these by far. Gothic imagery has been present in literature and all kinds of art for almost as long as humanity has been producing those kind of things, but the term wasn't actually applied to anything until the first millenia, when "Gothic art" and "Gothic architecture" came about. Later on (1700s) it was used as a label for a literary genre that was described as a mix of Romance and Horror: Gothic Fiction. Even further down the road, a music movement that was a branch-off of Punk started in the late 1970s: Gothic Rock.
The Gothic subculture, mindset, etc., are really best described by the description of the genre: "a mix of Romance and Horror"; it's a Romantic take on Horror and macabre. Those in the Gothic community are those who genuinely enjoy a darker aesthetic.
Response to one of the other answers: Er, what "Gothic religion"? There isn't one that I know of, and so far the Black Council hasn't taken points off of my Goth Card for not adhering to said-religion. Goths don't always have to wear black everywhere. Some Goths don't even wear black at all. "Goth" is in your head, not on your clothes.
Well, that's the best I can offer. I hope I was helpful!
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